I play blues. I'm looking to run a power amp and 2-2x12 cabs. Currently playing thru 2 original Fender Blues Deluxes (power amp in) List your set up (if similar) and please give amp and cab suggestions/findings. I'm lovin' the TLSE! The more you tweak....the better it feels!
Thanks,
ChicoBluez
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What kind of music do you play?
Blues and almost everything else.
I play blues, rock & bad
Thu, 2006/09/21 - 8:11am — Dirt123I play blues, rock & bad jazz. My ToneLab is fed into the FX return of a Boogie Mk II. Lately, I use 3 slightly different patches based on the Boutique OD. Each patch has 2 different outu levels and are configuired with identical Wa & Delay effects. The cabinet models are defeated. The settings of the patches will vary slightly by room, and I add or delete reverb depending. I can control the transition from clean to dirty with he guitar knob.
Thanks for the reply...I was
Thu, 2006/09/21 - 1:20pm — ChicoBluezThanks for the reply...I was starting to wonder if I asked a dumb question.
Is anyone using a power amp and a couple of cabs??
I'm thinking about customizing a 2-12 cab with an adjustable HF horn.
Thoughts?
ChicoBluez
www.thefabuloushouserockers.com
"When the power of love is greater than the love of power, there will be world peace." -Jimi Hendrix
I use the Tech 21 Power
Thu, 2006/09/21 - 3:20pm — tbyrdI use the Tech 21 Power Engine 60T and really like it.
Now you're talkin'! Is the
Thu, 2006/09/21 - 7:53pm — ChicoBluezNow you're talkin'!
Is the 60T the discontinued model with a horn?
Tell me more about the sound (I've read that it's
boxy sounding) and would you advise two for clean patches (more headroom)??
ChicoBluez
www.thefabuloushouserockers.com
"When the power of love is greater than the love of power, there will be world peace." -Jimi Hendrix
Hi there, I am using a Crate
Thu, 2006/09/21 - 11:58pm — hamfistHi there, I am using a Crate powerblock through an ENGL 2x12 cab, loaded with a Celestion V12-60 and an Eminence Governor. My Tonelab sounds absolutely awesome through it. I am the most happy I have EVER been with my tone, and I've been playing over 20 years ! I can thoroughly recommend the Powerblock. It's very cheap, incredibly light and I just plug the TLSE into the effects return. this bypasses all EQ and volume controls on the Powerblock, of course, but thats fine. I control that from the TLSE. Outputs are mono 150W (8 ohm minimum, but being solid state, 16 ohm is also fine) or stereo 75W outputs (4 ohm minimum, but again 8 ohm is just fine).
I'm just so happy at the momont with this setup. HF
Gordon Smith GS-2,
Tonelab SE
Crate Powerblock,
ENGL Standard 2 x 12 cab
Chico: I'm using the TLSE
Fri, 2006/09/22 - 7:18am — gigginpigChico:
I'm using the TLSE through 2 Sundown heads, running into the effect return, then into (either) a Marshall 4x12 stereo cab with Vintage 30's (or) a 2x12 with Eminence Wizard/Legend combo. The Sundowns use 6550 tubes and have huge warm headroom. I'm mostly using the Twin/Deluxe for cleans and the Plexi for lead (with a OD pedal).
Hamfist, Thanks for the
Fri, 2006/09/22 - 9:17am — ChicoBluezHamfist,
Thanks for the reply.
Sounds like you've a great set-up!
Do you think the TLSE through a cab with an adjustable HF horn be beneficial?
Chico
www.thefabuloushouserockers.com
"When the power of love is greater than the love of power, there will be world peace." -Jimi Hendrix
Giginpig, Your tone must be
Fri, 2006/09/22 - 9:38am — ChicoBluezGiginpig,
Your tone must be killer all around!
There is alot of talk of keyboard amps and I'm leaning towards a cab with full range/high wattage speakers and a HF horn that's tunable as a happy medium to best reproduce all the wonderful tones in the TLSE. Being "ol skool" I also prefer tube power vs. trans'. I'm open to rack mount tube power amp suggestions from all.
I dig your log name.
Chico
www.thefabuloushouserockers.com
"When the power of love is greater than the love of power, there will be world peace." -Jimi Hendrix
I'll just throw this info in
Mon, 2006/09/25 - 11:10am — 5thumbsI'll just throw this info in FWIW, but I also play bass through a Fender Rumble 100. Just for grins sometimes, I'll run my TLSE through it. It sounds very different than my little hybrid amps (used largely for guitar-only monitoring on stage w/line out to PA), but different in a good way.
The Rumble 100 has a 15" speaker with a piezo tweeter. This makes the sound very rich and powerful in the bass and highs (great for scooped sounds) and a little weak (but not useless) in the mids (which I usually dial down anyways.) The incredible headroom+massive bass presence I get through the Rumble 100 gives me goosebumps when I crank up my TLSE through it. Definitely not a "Strat chime" setup, but play some low power chords on it and you'll be grinning right away.
So before you think I'm going to ditch my guitar amps for a pair of Rumble 100s, don't worry...I'm not. However, the next time I get the hankering to upgrade my guitar amps, I'm going to consider bass amps with a 15" woofer, smaller (8") mid-range speakers and 1-2 piezo tweeters. (The no-longer-produced Carvin R600 Combo is a nice example of an amp which is in the aforementioned configuration.) Also, an XLR output would be a required element (which most decent bass amps have on them anyway.)
In closing, using "bass" amps for lead guitar amps is not a new concept. The legendary '57 Fender Bassman 4x10 is the "Tweed 4x10" amp model in the TLSE. I thought my current bass amp gave an interesting, different and useful character that I've never heard in a "lead" guitar amp, so I thought I'd pass along my experience to hopefully encourage y'all to experiment for yourselves and enjoy the wall-trembling goodness a bass amp can bring to the TLSE.
Thanks,
5thumbs
ChicBluez, I'm not
Mon, 2006/09/25 - 1:05pm — hamfistChicBluez, I'm not absolutely sure what you mean by an "adjustable HF horn". But, if you are talking about a tweeter (HF horn) that has a tweakable dial associated with it that can govern how much signal goes to it, then yes !!!, what a great idea. However, all the ready-made manufactured FRFR rigs like keyboard amps and active PA speakers that I've come across do not have such adjustability.
So many of us all seem to find different ways to ultimately get the tone we want. I've now got it through a guitar rig, so I'm going to stick with it. Others have found it through FRFR. I remain to be convinced about any sort of HF horn or tweeter with electric guitar amplification. There's just a harshness about HF horns/tweeters that I really don't like with electric guitars.
Amongst other FRFR rigs, I also owned a Mackie SRM350, which I liked particularly with the TLSE. However, the tweeter was simply still overpowering. If it had had some sort of control of the level going to the tweeter, which I could have reduced to my taste, then it would have been awesome.
In my heart of hearts, I keep thinking back to the great tones of yesteryear, which were produced through guitar speakers (used because of the frequency response they have). Those guys knew what they were doing.
I know the fashionable thing, these days, with MFX is to go through FRFR rigs, but I've tried that path and had no real success. Now I've got the tone I'm looking for with a guitar amp rig, I'll stick with it and hopefully others might learn from my experience. HF
Gordon Smith GS-2,
Tonelab SE
Crate Powerblock,
ENGL Standard 2 x 12 cab
Celestion V12-60, Eminence Governor
A 2x12 cab with let's say a
Mon, 2006/09/25 - 1:30pm — ChicoBluezA 2x12 cab with let's say a 2 inch throat horn (very smooth) that's adjustable for output. The speakers have to be full range and not "voiced" for guitar. I'm looking at empty cabs on ebay...routing a hole in center of baffle for the horn.
2 of these cabs with about 100 watts of stereo tube power will destroy mankind as we know it!!
How about adding a 18 inch powered sub and 2 roadies?? KIDDING!
Chico
www.thefabuloushouserockers.com
"When the power of love is greater than the love of power, there will be world peace." -Jimi Hendrix
ChicoBluez, You are clearly
Mon, 2006/09/25 - 2:35pm — hamfistChicoBluez, You are clearly a man with a mission. I think that over here in the UK, I'll hear you clear as a bell when you crank up those cabs you are dreaming of !!
You know, I'm really no great expert with amps and cabs, its just that I've been through quite a few to get the tone that I want.
You mentioned wanting a 2" horn. Am I right in assuming that a 2" will focus on noticeably lower frequencies than a 1" (as is popular in many FRFR amplication systems currently advocated as good "modelling" amp rigs). Maybe the 2" will be a crucial thing for taming the STS (super-tweeter-syndrome) common in many current FRFR rigs. HF
Gordon Smith GS-2,
Tonelab SE
Crate Powerblock,
ENGL Standard 2 x 12 cab
Celestion V12-60, Eminence Governor
Just thought I would finally
Mon, 2006/12/11 - 11:38am — IsaacmJust thought I would finally post the setup I'm using and what I think of it.
Guitars: Epiphone DOT semi-hollow body and a Strat
TLSE stereo out to a Crate Powerblock (using the inserts on the back panel).
To a Vox AD 212 Stereo Cabinet (Blue with 2x 75w speakers)
The I usally mic x 2 for the sound board.
I like the ease of use on this setup, although 2 mics are a pain in the rear. But the stereo effects I use really come through the FOH nice. I am currently using the LN setting on the TLSE, but am considering going back to the AP setting. The powerblock gives plenty of power...basically I have one volume control, that being the output on the TLSE. At about 1/2 on the dial, it's dang loud, and full of tone. The stereo separation on the VOX 212 is kinda weak 'cause two speakers in one cabinet. A second AD 212 would really be nice, but $$ and more stuff to lug around.
For the about $550 price, I'd recommend this setup. PowerBlock $100, AD212 about $450 new.
I hope this info helps someone out there...
Nice rig Isaac. I would
Mon, 2006/12/11 - 12:25pm — hamfistNice rig Isaac.
I would also recommend trying a couple of Behringer GI-100 cab-simulating DI boxes on your L & R. THis will eliminate much of the inconsistencies of Miking and soundmen's abilities. You'll, hopefully, then always get gr8 sound On stage and out front !.
It works for me !
Alan
www.soundclick.com/alanbridges
I just changed up my setup a
Mon, 2006/12/18 - 10:24am — IsaacmI just changed up my setup a bit over the weekend. Got a deal on a Marshall 9005 50w x 50w rack tube power amp. Very transparent and warm power, only gain and presence control on each channel. I didn't realize how bad the Crate Powerblock sounded after plugging in the Marshall 9005...although I recommend the Powerblock on a budget. The 9005 uses 4 EL84's. These rack beasts are somewhat frequent on ebay, but I got mine on Craiglist in great condition for $100. It has a 25w or 50w switch on each channel, to dial down the volume a bit...I actually like the 25w x 2 sound better. If you see one of these in your area for reasonable $$...jump on it!
hey kids. I also go from the
Wed, 2006/12/20 - 4:55pm — chris_fitzmartinhey kids.
I also go from the TLSE into a hot rod deluxe's power section. 3 points.
1. I use a Weber vintage series speaker, not the fender speaker. 12F150. they are good but relatively inexpensive speakers.
2. I put a BBE sonic stomp last in the chain. I highly recommend the BBE. set and forget. seriously. get one.
3. turn the the TLSE cab sims OFF sometimes, when looking for a patch.
cheers
I use the BBE in my studio,
Wed, 2006/12/20 - 5:41pm — eyema_believerI use the BBE in my studio, and I'm freakin' addicted to it!
It doesn't matter what you run through it, it just sounds BETTER!!!
I use it on everything....probably too much. When I mix, I have to go though and ask myself "what can I take it off of?" I just don't want frequency buildup in certain areas with it.
Personally, I think I would like to have a BBE pedal before the reverb/delay/mod section on the TLSE, but after the pedal/amp/speaker sims. This is of course impossible without modification, which I intend to attempt soon.
Peace!
~Shawn
www.unleavened.net
You gotta be so careful with
Thu, 2006/12/21 - 3:07am — hamfistYou gotta be so careful with sonic enhancers (pedals and plugins). IMHO they can make things sound really over-processed and over-produced if not used very delicately. For some styles this can work. For rock, there is a danger of losing the "edge", the rawness and energy that makes rock what it is.
I've got a bbe-clone plugin lurking on my hard drive somewhere. Maybe I'll give it a little bit of use (but ONLY a little).
Alan
www.soundclick.com/alanbridges
You better be careful with
Thu, 2006/12/21 - 8:19am — eyema_believerYou better be careful with that my friend! Cuz if your "clone" sounds as good as my BBE you'll be eating some words
And for the record, the BBE doesn't make a track lose it's edge, it makes it sharper...makes it cut like a knife in fact!
Peace!
~Shawn
www.unleavened.net
BBE seems to take out mids
Thu, 2006/12/21 - 8:37am — hamfistBBE seems to take out mids to my ear. I've only used it with guitar, but sucking out mids with guitar is bad news.
"Scooping" is for those who don't know any better !
I'll be honest and admit that I have heard it sounds pretty good with vox, bass and drums though (in moderation !!!).
Alan
www.soundclick.com/alanbridges
I think a good experiment
Thu, 2006/12/21 - 8:43am — eyema_believerI think a good experiment would be to put something through a frequency analylizer and "see" what it does, although as has been duly noted on this site, the ears are the best judge!
~S
www.unleavened.net
I use a PEAVEY CLASSIC 50.50
Sun, 2006/12/24 - 6:28pm — ericmeyerI use a PEAVEY CLASSIC 50.50 and an EARCANDY CAB.
Eric Meyer
www.ericmeyer.org