Do you guys play through the effects loop on your amp

Tue, 2008/09/16 - 2:23pm — ken374

I have not tried it yet Im plugged in the front. How do I run it through? Sound better??

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i've tried hookin up the the

Tue, 2008/09/16 - 3:10pm — ft_hummer

i've tried hookin up the the TLSE in the effects loop of my amp with fairly poor results. I find that the best reults for the TL are strisgh to the mixer OR into the front of an amp. However, the results vary quite drasticaly depending on the amp. I've have great result when plugged into my old Fender 112 deluxe, a solid stat amp, and have poor results when plugging into my ENGL Screamer 50, a high-end tube amp. Big Blue works best straight to the mixer, IMO.

My amp has both an effects

Tue, 2008/09/16 - 3:33pm — firebrand

My amp has both an effects loop and a preamp out [power] amp in. I guitar > TLSE > amp in. It completely bypasses the preamp and goes direct to the power section. I set the TLSE to Line and I get the BEST of both worlds. A REAL sound with integrated effects. I'm loving it. I use Fulltone Cables. The cable, especially from the guitar to the TLSE will make a difference. For $30, the Fulltone cable rivals the sound through any $80 Monster Cable I have used and it is just as durable. The only cable I would replace it with at this point is one of the new Fender Gold electric guitar cables. I just tried one at a little guitar shop I found a month ago in a small town and I was really impressed at the difference between it and a standard cable.

I have tried going in

Thu, 2008/09/18 - 12:56pm — fingers

I have tried going in through the front end of my boogie, and through the effects loop, but bought a Tech21 PE60 and found the sounds were more natural.

I think the most important component is a clean amp, and if it works for you in the front end or through the loop, then great.

Perservere with the Tonelab though, and it will reward you, it is the best sounding modeller out there.

i use the fx return, but

Tue, 2008/09/23 - 9:48am — nomad100

i use the fx return, but it's important to know that on some amps you have to plug a cable into the FX send in order to keep the preamp from loading the down the signal.

It also depends on where the

Thu, 2008/10/16 - 6:18am — firebrand

It also depends on where the effects loop is in the signal path as to how well the ToneLab will sound when inserted.

The Traynor I own has the effects loop after the first gain stage of the preamp but before the second, so it gets an undesirable mushy saturation when plugged in there. But the power amp in pass all but the final buffer point before hitting the power tubes, and it sounds beautiful. It's
"small things" like this which can make a solid state amp more desirable tone-wise than some tube amps when used with any modeling device.

This issue has come up

Tue, 2008/10/21 - 6:15pm — chris_fitzmartin

This issue has come up before in the forum. So search around.

I've tried pretty much every combination. My current setup goes straight into the front of a Marshall 2266. I works terrifically. The overall sound is great and the touch sensitivity associated with overdriven tube anps is completely preserved.

However I have also gotten very decent results bypassing a tube amp's preamp section. One great option is to also put a power soak after the power amp right before the speaker. Then you can krank those power tubes to 8,9,10 and maintain lower volume. Fun stuff.

One issue is the "coloration" of the amp's preamp. That unique tonality needs to go with your best TLSE patches. And that is something we all need to sort out case by case.

About 2 yrs ago I switched from skipping the Fender preamp to going straight into the Fender preamp. I had to redo most of my patches. Or perhaps I should say "re-adjust", not redo. So, in my experience, you need to pick the best way to plug into your amp, then make patches that work with that setup. Some patched seem to work across many setups, while other don't. The cleaner Fender settings and Vox amp setting seem to work well across different amps and setups, whereas my SRV, Zeppelin, Allmans, Slash, etc. patches have to be adjusyed every time I make any friggin change of amps, speakers, tubes and such. Tricky.

And finally, I get somewhat different results using a cheap but OK marshall 4X12, a Fender HR deluxe 12 in speaker and of course a set of PA speakers and wedges. And I mean for the very same patch(es). Interestingly, the Peavey Classic 30 amp's speaker sounds similar to the cheap marshall 4x12. It doesnt sound as full, but the timbre is quite similar. This is in contrast to the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, which is clearer for my Duane Allman patch for instance.

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I go into the power amp of

Wed, 2008/10/22 - 4:25am — LuckyLuke

I go into the power amp of my Peavey Classic 30. I don't use the cab sims and I use the "line" setting. I think it sounds great. I don't use any factory patches. I created all my own. I play in a cover band, so I try and create a patch for each artist we cover, having done some research on the actual gear used by that artist. I think I've come close to probably most of the ones we cover.

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