Hey everybody,
New member here and just want to introduce myself quickly. Not a professional player by any means, but I have played guitar for about 20 years or so and I do drag all my gear across the street to play with the Youth Band at my church every weekend. "Youth Band" being somewhat of a misnomer, given that it's actually about a 50/50 mix of relative geezers like me and then the actual youths.
Anyway... I recently saw the light and found a Tonelab LE and am loving it. I've used lots of different MFX over the years - started with a couple Digitech units, I believe, then I had a Korg and played through a Pod XT Live for a while. Recently I started to feel like the XTL was falling flat when it came to tone and I've been focusing more on vintage-type sounds lately, playing through two Gretsches and a Fender Strat, so I started to look around.
I considered the X3 briefly, but didn't like the sound of all the hardware breakdowns coupled with the larger price tag and lack of any type of valve circuit. I found the Tonelab LE and Zoom G9 at about the same time. I figured right off the bat that I would probably like the Tonelab more, since it seemed geared more towards vintage sounds and the G9 is set up more for metal. No stores in my area carried Vox products though, so I ended up picking up the G9. I was a little worried about this one too because I heard alot of hardware nightmare stories, but a Guitar World review had called it the most advanced guitar processor out there, so I figured it was worth a try. I had hardly gotten it home before I realized my mistake.
There were definitely some cool sounds and I know that if I had spent a lot of time tweaking it, I probably could have gotten closer to the types of sounds that I was looking for. The presets really turned me off though. I probably would have ditched 95% of them. The valve circuitry also didn't have a very organic feel to it. I kept listening to samples of Tonelab sounds and the G9 just didn't have that same vibe. The final kicker was that the LCD screen that told you what patch you were on crapped out so it was busted. Store wouldn't refund my money and they didn't carry Vox, so I had to exchange it for a new one just so I could sell it on eBay and not dump off the same problem to someone else.
Luckily, it sold quickly and I was able to find a great deal on a Tonelab. Now I know why I read so many Tonelab users saying that they switched to the Vox product and never looked back. Totally different experience. I love 98% of the presets right out of the box. Editing patches right on the board is way more intuitive than any other product I've owned. It's got that natural feeling to it and I just can't get over being able to roll back my guitar volume and having the sound clean up. Just amazing.
So... just waiting for my MIDI cables to come in the mail and I'm sure you guys will be seeing alot more of me.
== Sean


Sean, Welcome! I know you
Tue, 2008/07/15 - 1:36pm — LDSean,
Welcome! I know you will be pleased with your choice of the Tonelab. Hang out here often enough and you will find tons of great advice.
LD
Cool. Thanks. I've got two
Wed, 2008/07/16 - 1:01am — BujinCool. Thanks. I've got two questions already.
Aside from the number of pedals and lack of auto wah, is there a big difference between the LE and SE models?
And I saw some type of utility written to convert patches between the two platforms. Is that program required to use SE patches on the LE? And, if so, is there a Mac version of it somewhere?
== Sean
There is some difference, it
Wed, 2008/07/16 - 10:59am — kaalThere is some difference, it is personal taste whether you call it "big":
Number of Pedals is the same, just some different models - METAL DIST pedal, BI CHORUS, the VOX cab, and different reverbs. Apart from the different models, I believe they had to re-model pedals/amps/cabs as well (TLLE has 24bit, TLSE has 20bit). TLLE has only one expression pedal, TLSE got 2. TLSE got A/B channel, TLLE misses this feature. TLLE has more "output modes" (not just amp/line). TLLE can store 120 patches, TLSE can store 96. TLLE has an additional "program level" control (probably intended make patch volume levelling easier). TLLE is silver, TLSE is blue (and big) ;-)
You can "convert" patches from TLSE to TLLE manually (install the TLSE AND the TLLE Soundeditor on your PC, open the TLSE patch in the TLSE Editor, ans manually enter the respective settings in the TLLE editor) - you will have to make some decisions then because of the differences between TLSE and TLLE.
Or you use the converter, which will make these decisions for you (you can still configure it the way you like) - it is really handy if you want to convert more than just a few patches. There is no MAC version ofthe converter, sorry.
hth
Kaal
Thanks for the info. Sounds
Wed, 2008/07/16 - 9:31pm — BujinThanks for the info. Sounds like the LE is still an improvement, despite the few things that were taken away, thanks to the higher bit rate and the extra outputs, etc. I was just curious since it seemed that so many people here still seem to have the SE. I suppose I should take it as a good sign that people like their Vox products well enough to hang on to them.
I do have access to a PC, so I guess I'll go ahead and run the converter on that box. I do all my recording on the Mac though, so I was hoping to keep everything on one platform. I can work around that though.
== Sean
Mac may have a program that
Thu, 2008/07/17 - 9:45pm — mself61Mac may have a program that will allow those PC files to run, not sure but you might investigate.
www.selfdistruction.com
http://groups.google.com/group/tonelab-patch-exchange
Yeah, you can run just about
Thu, 2008/07/17 - 10:02pm — BujinYeah, you can run just about any Windows application if you set up your Mac to dual boot and install an extra app that lets you run both side by side, but I really don't want Windows on this machine. I'll just run the converter on my PC and port the patch over to my Mac if it's one I want badly.
== Sean
Welcome! This is the best
Wed, 2008/07/23 - 8:38pm — firebrandWelcome!
This is the best forum for help I have found with regards to all thinks ToneLab.