Sharing patches is great.
Sharing info about settings, and how you designed the patch is even better.
To that end, I propose we share tips on just how one designs a patch.
So far, here are some basic tips I can put on the table. Please add to them as you will (a la Wikipedia), and maybe we can summarize them when enough ideas are compiled.
- Steve
1. RESEARCH THE GEAR USED BY AN ARTIST YOU ARE TRYING TO EMULATE.
Does he/she use single- or double-coil pickups? What model of amp, speaker and guitar? Much of this info is on the web (i.e. www.beatlesgear.com)
2. MODIFY THE FACTORY SETTINGS
As great as the TLSE is, I personally found the factory settings to be less than earth-shattering. Before long, I had manipulated them to my liking; at the beginning, I found that easier than starting a patch from nothing.
3. MODIFY OTHER USERS' PATCHES
Not to say that one person's patch is better than another's, but maybe a new version of a user's patch would apply to different songs of a spefic artist, or to a specific guitar (not everyone has a strat/tele/lespaul at hand).
I listen to the song that I
Fri, 2006/02/17 - 11:31am — SizzleSaleI listen to the song that I am working on over and over agian while building it on the Lab. I just make it work for my equipment. (I realize my sound won't work for other peoples combinations, so they will need to adjust it for their equipment)
Tips: I'd just build it from scratch making it sound as close as possible (without effects) and keep adjusting and tweeking it until it is right (for my gear). Then add the needed effects. (If any) Some sounds are more time consuming than others, but it is worth it in the end. It's nice to have this patch exchange, I saved a lot of time thus far.
Great idea, and a good
Fri, 2006/02/17 - 2:00pm — AdminGreat idea, and a good start.
I'll post a little about my proccess when I have some free time.
Kaal created a fantastic
Sat, 2006/02/18 - 2:56pm — luteplayerKaal created a fantastic list of the original amplifiers, cabinets and effects used in the TLSE. Check it out:
http://www.tonelab.net/node/146
- Steve
Guitar Player Magazine has a
Sat, 2006/02/18 - 5:10pm — luteplayerGuitar Player Magazine has a "Heroes of Classic Rock" issue (Fall 2005 / Winter 2006), in which guitarists from Keith Richards to Eddie Van Halen describe the gear they use during certain eras of their careers. It is a good resource in designing patches in the "Specific Artist" category. I will try to sumarize and post some of the points in this issue as time allows.
- Steve
www.getthatsound.com thats a
Sun, 2006/03/05 - 12:45am — AviKickswww.getthatsound.com
thats a good site to start with
…there is also a huge
Thu, 2006/03/16 - 4:57pm — BONES...there is also a huge database resource at GuitarGeek:
http://guitargeek.com/
I think that the best way to
Mon, 2006/05/22 - 11:15pm — elmoI think that the best way to create a patch from scratch is to start by the amp and testing one by one stomboxes, then turn off the stomp box and then go on with modulation, then turn off modulation and that way I think is very acurate. by the way sometimes the less the better. I have a couple of patches that sound great with just the amp and a stompbox.
also I'm having trouble with clean patches, I can't get them to have a decent volume level, with my band those clean patches just get lost, even with amp volume at 10!
any suggestions?
elmo, I love to play clean
Tue, 2006/05/30 - 1:00pm — OrangeTwangelmo,
I love to play clean patches so I might have some advice. First, clean is pretty relative, so sometimes if I like the tone I've got but don't like my volume, I'll reverse engineer the gain. I'll slam that all the way up and then turn it down till I think it's clean again. Sometimes just coming at it from the crunchier direction will leave you hearing just how clean a tone was that five minutes before you were screaming, "that's too much gain." Also, I've found that the chorus effects in particular, when used real slow and real low can have a volume boosting effect, as can delays with their time set really fast.
In essence I try to create layers of clean that happen so on top of themselves that you don't notice that they're layers. If you can actually hear the modulation, there's too much of it, but some of them can work. Same with small amounts of reverb.
The only other place I've had results, is on some songs I've added a Tube OD and turned the Drive down, but the level up. You want to avoid overdriving the amp sim, but still get a clean boost. Compression can work too, but compression can get really stupid sometimes.
-Galen
I think you are right, many
Fri, 2006/06/09 - 12:38am — elmoI think you are right, many times gain seems to be up but it is not. the learning curve with this device is huge every time I use it I learn something new
I've Listened to Black
Sun, 2006/06/25 - 6:48pm — mself61I've Listened to Black Sabbath most of my life.. he's used different rigs through the years and now that I look at what he is using it's totally rediculas, and to try and duplicate that rig would drive you nuts, and on top of that he is using Laney wich doesnt show in the TLSE settings or the spreadsheet. anyone have any Sabbath patches ?
www.selfdistruction.com
Get an effect with some gain
Fri, 2006/09/01 - 11:53am — chris_fitzmartinGet an effect with some gain and put it last in the chain. This could be a preamp, compressor, EQ, etc. Then turn up the gain on this new box/effect until your clean patches are good. Then turn down the master volume of loud patches on the TLSE. (also, you can put this boost first in the chain.)
Another idea is to "renormalize" the volume of all your patches relative to your most usefull but quietest patch. In this case, set things up so that this patch works in rehearsal. You will have to crank up the TLSE's volume on the back panel. Then you will have to turn down ALL the other patches you gig with to be loud relative to this quiet-reference patch.
It's not "you". I've done this twice.
cheers
Good site!! Brackeen
Sun, 2006/09/03 - 8:42am — brackeenGood site!!
Brackeen