Im debating whether to do this or run the Tonelab into a Fender Blues Junior amp for live use.
At home the tonelab sounds absolutely great running into the mixer and monitors.
But will this work outside in a live setting..? Often stuff sounds great DI'ed at home but doesnt translate too good live...
anyone actually doing this now??
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Yes, but not real gigs, when
Fri, 2007/08/03 - 7:21am — mself61Yes, but not real gigs, when the guys get together for practice this is how I connect and we did do a party this way also, I have to say that it works well for me, althgough I could stsnd to spend more time tweaking the sound to the PA rather than my PC for a different, so while trying to keep a .tlp file the PC and one for the PA is good idea.
of course there are those that prefer to use amps rather than PA's because you can get a more "prefered" sound might have a few words about this. I certainly would love to try going DI into the PA of a massive system to hear what it sounds like.
connecting this way to me seems "do-able for giging" and less to carry.
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Yes, it works great. Since
Fri, 2007/08/03 - 2:42pm — tbyrdYes, it works great. Since the TL has a low imp output, I use a 600:600 ohm splitter DI and use a balance 1/4" to XLR so I can use the ground lift. But you don't even need a DI box.
Been using TLSE direct to PA
Fri, 2007/08/03 - 4:18pm — jofroBeen using TLSE direct to PA for a few months for contemporary worship. Signal chain is Guild Bluesbird>> TLSE>> Tech21PE60 (XLR out)>> FOH PA
No DI box used or needed. Tech21 is used as a stage amp for monitor only, TLSE signal passes directly thru XLR out to the snake. Moving to Aviom in ears personal monitoring so will not even need the Tech21 as floor monitor.
Many other players also using direct to PA, just do search on this forum and you'll find more info.
John
I have been using my TLSE
Sat, 2007/08/04 - 11:18am — GT350I have been using my TLSE with a DI live at my church for about a year now with great results. Although it is not necessary to use a DI box I did discover that I need to use a passive DI at my church to eliminate hum. Our PA system will pick up a bad hum from the stage lighting if I use an active DI. Also, Make sure the soundman sets the EQ's flat (no cut or boost) on your channel on the board so it doesn't mess with your patch EQ's. Then there is the great output mode debate. I use the Line setting while others prefer the Amp setting.
-Aaron
"You never know why you're alive till you know what you would die for." -Mercy Me
2nd that about the sound
Tue, 2007/08/07 - 10:57am — hotraman2nd that about the sound man.
They need to know what sounds you are trying to play:
Bassman has low end, so don't roll the bass off in FOH.
The Fender Twin is brighter, dont' EQ it otherwise.
Unless your sound mixer is a guitar player, he/she may not know what sounds are possible thru guitar modeling.
I run a direct line from my
Wed, 2007/08/08 - 6:43pm — Randy Van SykesI run a direct line from my Tonelab LE to the soundman and monitor it on stage through a Tech 21 Power Engine 60 (80 watts/1x12).
It's my favorite (small/simple) gigging rig to date. It took me a few weeks of tweaking and getting used to it...but now it sounds and feels just great, I've really got it honed in now. Getting nothing but compliments from soundmen and band members.
I would suggest not to be too drastic with the programmed patches that you use live.
I try to keep them all relatively similar from clean to dirty patches (eg: having a really bright clean sound...then a having really dark dirty sound won't help the soundman out at keeping the mix consistent and 'you' heard well out front).
I totally agree that mic'ing
Fri, 2007/08/10 - 8:19am — GT350I totally agree that mic'ing up a tube amp will give you better sound than using a DI. But the whole point of me even getting a Tonelab is so that I don't have to drag around a 50+ pound amp. The best tone I ever achieved was using my Carvin Nomad tube amp to power a Marshall 4X10 cabinet and using individual effects, but all I ever got was complaints about stage volume. I find that the DI'ed Tonelab is a very acceptable substitute for a church setting, and it sure beats lugging around 140 pounds of equipment. However, if I was to play an actual "show" I would certainly bring in a tube amp and mic it up. I would really love to have Chico's Mesa 20X20 and stereo cabinet setup!
-Aaron
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That hits the SPOT Aaron
Fri, 2007/08/10 - 6:52pm — mself61That hits the SPOT Aaron !!!, exactly the same reasons and yes Chico's setup most likely rock the shingles off the roof and that is what I have been watching out for to get a good deal. but as often as I go out and play I havent even got to try my 2 Hartke GT60c's as part of my rig to see how they will sound.
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Domhnall: I've run my TLSE
Sat, 2007/08/11 - 9:43pm — 5thumbsDomhnall:
I've run my TLSE through a pair of Countryman Type 85 DI boxes in the past, but prefer to mic my amps instead. The TLSE sounds pretty good through the DI boxes, but it'd sound a bit edgy and sterile (to my ears) when we'd play back the rehearsal tapes.
So I started mic'ing my amps with two SM57 mics and have been happier with my sound through the board and FOH.
Lastly, just a suggestion for Aaron (GT350)...I had horrible humming issues with our church PA whenever I'd use an active DI. That is, until I tried the Countryman Type 85. The Type 85 can use phantom power while the input ground is lifted, which allows them to get the power they need from the mixer, but ditch the 60-cycle hum provided by the installed-by-the-lowest-bidder power at the church. The Type 85 DI boxes aren't cheap (about $150-$200, depending where you shop), but then again, they're not Universal Audio-expensive either. I think the Radial J48 DI box can do the ground-lift-with-phantom-power trick as well, but I've never tried them personally.
Either way, if you have access to the venue in which you'll be performing, I'd recommend trying both the DI and mic'd amp methods ahead of time. Let your ears be the judge of which is the best way to hook into the PA.
Good luck!
-5thumbs
I thought I was answering
Sat, 2007/08/11 - 10:01pm — 5thumbsI thought I was answering the question, "Is anyone here DI'ing their tonelab direct to the PA for gigs?", not "Is anyone here DI'ing their tonelab direct to the PA for gigs [so they don't have to haul 140lbs of amps with them]?"
I have DI'd into the PA at a couple of different venues. It didn't sound *bad*, just it could've sounded better to me. Plus, relying on the sound operator to keep my AUX Send clearly audible throughout the performance is an iffy proposition...they've got a lot of other stuff to worry about...plus some sound operators are clueless.
I could tweak my patches to sound better with the DI/PA, but to me, that's more irritating than just hauling in my amps to get the sound I prefer. The DI works pretty well, but can be affected more by venue wiring/power and sound operator attentiveness than mic'ing an amp. That needs to be considered as well when deciding to mic or DI. (Heck, bring both the mics and DIs to sound check and you can make your decision depending on who's turning the knobs on the mixer that night.)
G'night, y'all.
-5thumbs
Hi guys, for my tuppence
Sun, 2007/08/12 - 6:16am — zartHi guys, for my tuppence worth, I love the dynamics of a speaker forcing air out of a cabinet, which is something you lose A) by turning the TL compressor on, and B) going direct into a PA.
Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but it seems the previous posts are talking about cheap to semi-pro PA at best, rather than 20k of Turbosound or similar. From my experience, cheap PA brings more of its own problems than any combination of the guitar rigs mentioned. I'm as passionate about PA rigs as guitar rigs, and the question of "direct to PA for gigs" has far more variables in it than can be answered with an objective yes or no.
My only recommendation would be to get a long lead or radio kit, mic up your cab AND also DI the TL, then sit yourself at FOH and see which channel floats your boat.
namaste
Well said Zart! I think I
Sun, 2007/08/12 - 11:03am — jofroWell said Zart! I think I will indeed indulge in the A/B challenge that you speak of...
Jofro
I'm so certian that your
Sun, 2007/08/12 - 1:59pm — mself61I'm so certian that your right Zart, I think that the topic of this thread is about getting a decent (tolerable) sound through a PA DI'ed for the sake of portability and even saving a little dough, buying a nice rig that will blow your neighbors off the block may take some whole grain bread. so some of us on a budget may have to put up with DI'ing into a cheap azz PA for now, but I do wonder still how it would fair through the mixing board at the Hyundai Pavilion arena in Devore CA.
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I hear that, good PA is
Mon, 2007/08/13 - 2:32am — zartI hear that, good PA is incredibly expensive, even for clubs and theatres. I was mainly pointing out that after all the love and care many of you go to in order to get your sound, there's a good chance it will be comprimised through all but the best PA rig. Heck, if you have a 4x12 and only a few hundred watts of PA, I'd be tempted to blast the 4x12 and forget the DI. With respect to lugging amps around, so long as you're loading up a vehicle you may as well load everything that gets your sound right. Just think, in a parallel universe you may have taken up the double bass!
or tour with a pipe organ
Mon, 2007/08/13 - 6:04pm — mself61or tour with a pipe organ
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For what it's worth, I like
Tue, 2007/08/14 - 4:23pm — jon cardiacsFor what it's worth, I like running stereo from the SE into the mixer (stereo channel) and aux out (pre fader) to the fx return of my Marshall valvestate (for stage monitor).
Get the benefits of a spread balanced sound me thinks.
that should rattle the
Tue, 2007/08/14 - 11:34pm — mself61that should rattle the braces off of betty's teeth
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